The Examination: What It Looks Like to Hire Differently
Written by: Kelli Kendall | Executive Recruiter | BRIX Recruiting Partners
In Part 1 of this series, we talked about the true cost when a hiring decision goes bad — the canary-in-the-coal-mine colleague, the customer who pays the most, and the reputation you’ve spent years building taking a hit. If you haven’t read Part 1 yet, start there. Then hustle on back over here, because this is where we get into the thick of it.
Know Who You’re Actually Hiring For
I know, I know. You want me to hand you the 10-second recipe for hiring the right person. Before I can give you the Krabby Patty formula, there’s something we have to do first. I wish we could just jump into a training montage — wax on, wax off — but like Mr. Miyagi, I have more to share with you than you know.
What you need to know first is WHO you’re actually trying to bring in. Answers that candidates share with you need to tell you whether they can show up as the right person for your organization and the work you need done right now.
Organizations hire for different reasons in different seasons. Sometimes you’re maintaining the status quo — things are working and you need someone who can sustain that. Sometimes you’re staring at an opportunity gap — your operating standard is solid but you know there’s more that could be achieved and you need someone who can close the distance. Sometimes you’re doing an unexpected backfill because someone left, the seat is empty, and the pressure is immediate. And sometimes you’re building something from the ground up and you need a particular kind of person for that.
I’m sure you’re curious about the different types of people you hire — and there’s a special one I call The Architect (future blog post) — but before we get off track, let me steer us back. Understanding who you need to hire is its own deep conversation. But for today, know this: the mindset markers we’re about to explore only mean something in context. Accountability, resilience, and directness look different in someone coming in to maintain than they do in someone coming in to build.
Think about this — the same qualities you want in a lawyer are not necessarily the same qualities you want in your accountant. The guy who can persuade a jury and a judge is not necessarily the guy who is chasing down every penny balancing books, or the production manager who’s ready to show up at 5:30 in the morning and lead a team to do excellent work climbing up on roofs. Keep that in mind as you read what follows.
The Decision Maker’s Mindset
We spend a lot of time talking about candidate mindset. And we should — it matters enormously. But before we go any further, I want to talk about yours.
You are steering the ship. You are the one deciding who gets a seat at your table, who gets an offer, who gets a chance. And if you walk into that process with a transactional mindset — viewing hiring as a problem to be solved as quickly and cheaply as possible — you are going to get exactly the result that mindset produces. You will get returns. Not dividends.
Think about a warranty callback for a second. A crew finished a job, the customer signed off, and three weeks later the phone rings. Something wasn’t right. Now you’re pulling that crew — or another one — off a paying job to go back and fix it. You’re eating the material cost. You’re absorbing the labor. You’re managing an unhappy customer who is now questioning every decision they made about hiring you. And somewhere in the background, that customer is talking to their neighbor about it. Callbacks are expensive. They cost time, money, reputation, and the energy of your best people — energy that could have been spent building something new instead of repairing something old.
When you treat people like they are replaceable, they have to be replaced. When you treat people like they are valuable, they feel valued — and they become significantly harder to persuade to leave.
Your mindset as the hiring manager, the owner, the decision maker is the foundation everything else gets built on. If that isn’t right, no process can save you.
Hiring Is an Investment, Not a Transaction
Once you adopt this mindset, everything shifts. Hiring is not a transaction. It is an investment — and like any investment, it requires you to give something up now in exchange for the hope of a dividend later.
You are investing time, money, your team’s energy and attention throughout the whole process — including onboarding and integration. Here’s the part most hiring managers underestimate: from the moment someone accepts an offer to the moment they are genuinely performing at the level you need, you are looking at a minimum of 60 days. The two weeks notice, onboarding, the learning curve, the relationship building, the inevitable friction of someone figuring out how things actually work inside your team.
The dividend isn’t paid out yet. It might not show up for another 30 days after that. Maybe 90.
No investment worth making produces an immediate guaranteed return. Hiring is no different. When you go into it understanding that, you stop panicking at week three when someone isn’t fully up to speed yet. You stop making reactive decisions based on impatience. Instead, you stay the course because you understood the real timeline before you ever made the offer.
A note: process matters here. You don’t need a mountain of paperwork if you’re a small operation — but you do need clarity. Your team needs to understand what it looks like to bring someone in and integrate them. You need to understand it. Clear expectations for everyone involved are what allow forward progress to continue rather than getting distracted, flipping the boat, or bailing out during a dip before you’ve been able to seize the true value of the investment.
Are You Missing a Process? The After Action Review.
The after action review — AAR — is one of the most underutilized tools in hiring. The AAR gives you data, consistently collected over time. If a pattern starts to emerge that is costing you talented people, time, or money, you can see it and address it before that problem compounds.
There are three moments in every hiring cycle where an AAR is worth doing: before you hire, after onboarding, and at the exit interview. The questions you ask in each of those moments will be different. Here are some examples.
Before you hire: What do we need? Why do we need it? What does success look like in 90 days, in a year? What have we learned from the last person in this role? This one takes 20 minutes and saves months.
After onboarding: How did it go? Are they resourced for their role? Where did we support well and where did we leave someone to figure things out alone? What would we do differently? This is not about whether you like the person — it’s about whether your process served them.
At the exit interview: If someone leaves, voluntary or otherwise, what can you learn from it? Not to assign blame — to collect information. Over time, exit interview data tells you more about your organization than almost anything else.
Without these touchpoints in your process, you are essentially hoping for divine intervention. Waiting for your intuition to ping. Listening for a whisper on the wind. Maybe it works sometimes — but we are in business and we need a system for this, and there is a tool ready to be used.
Now, to be clear — an after action review doesn’t mean anything in your organization needs to change. Just because you examine something doesn’t mean you’re required to fix it. It may not be a problem. It may confirm that you’re doing exactly what you intend to do, and that the person who left simply wasn’t a fit for your organization. The value is in having the information consistently, over time, so that when something does need attention, you can see it clearly.
The Three Mindset Markers
We’ve primed ourselves for success. We know what we’re hiring for. We have the right mindset. We understand the investment being made. We have a process. All that’s left to do is show up and listen.
The three mindset markers I evaluate in every single candidate conversation are accountability, resilience, and directness. Not only because they’re important — but because in my experience, they are the three things that most consistently predict whether someone is going to show up, grow, and contribute to the culture you’re trying to build. Or not.
Accountability is the ability and willingness to own your part in any situation — the wins and the losses. A candidate with real accountability doesn’t just take credit gracefully. They take responsibility gracefully too. They understand that in every situation, it takes two to tango. Even if it was 98% someone else and 2% them, they can tell you clearly and specifically what their 2% was — and what they learned from it. That’s the marker. Not perfection. Ownership.
Resilience is not toughness for its own sake. It’s the ability to absorb a hit, feel it fully, and still find a path forward. You want someone who has been in a dire situation and gotten themselves out of it — and that doesn’t have to be a professional story. Some of the most revealing resilience answers come from personal experience. What you’re listening for is someone who got creative, got curious, took a risk, and came back from something. They bent. They didn’t break. And they can tell you what they learned without skipping over the hard parts.
To quote Rocky: “It ain’t about how hard you hit. It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done.” You want someone who understands that winning ugly is still winning — and that doesn’t mean without ethics, and it doesn’t mean without integrity. It means clawing for every win they can, being a person of character, and showing up even when it’s hard.
Directness is the willingness to have an uncomfortable conversation rather than dance around it. That doesn’t mean being unprofessional or crass — you can be direct with tact. But this is a person who says what they mean and means what they say. They will walk across the office, sit down with someone they’re in conflict with, hear them out, make that person feel heard, and then clearly explain how they are going to show up differently and how they can resolve the issue together. This person is an asset to any team, in any role, at any level.
These three markers are your compass in the room. Here’s how to read them in real time.
What to Listen for in Real Time
Everything we have covered is only useful if you know how to identify it in the answers you receive. Here’s what you’re actually listening for in a real interview, in real time.
You want authentic stories that can be explored — not polished presentations that are shallow. There is a meaningful difference between someone who has rehearsed an answer and someone who is actually recalling an experience. You can test a story by offering a slightly incorrect recap or detail and seeing whether the candidate corrects you and gives you more context. The authentic answer has texture. The rehearsed one falls apart when you poke at it.
You want data, not drama — and you still want nuance. Different candidates are going to give you different pieces of information. Someone in sales or marketing is going to lead with facts and figures. Someone on the production side may lead with experience and story. What you want, regardless of background, is to hear that they can reflect on their performance — that they can walk you through a situation they experienced, what they did, what they learned, and what the result was.
You want someone who operates from personal responsibility. It is clear in every story they tell — even if they were clearly wronged or let down, you can hear them name what was still in their control. What they could have done differently. What they chose to do and why.
And you want STAR answers — situation, task, approach, result — where they were actually the hands doing the work. Not the person who only identified the problem, or whose boss came up with the solution. You want the person who took action. One of the clearest interview patterns I’ve seen is a candidate who tells a compelling story about a challenge and a solution — but when you listen closely, they weren’t actually the one who fixed it. They were adjacent to it. Strategic about it. Aware of it. If you’re hiring for strategy, that might be exactly right. If you’re hiring for execution, that’s a significant gap.
The Difference Between a Great Interview and a Great Hire
Here’s the truth that ties everything together.
A great interview will almost always leave you feeling excited. Energized. Good about yourself and the conversation. Some people are genuinely gifted at interviews — they’re warm, they’re articulate, they make you feel like the conversation was effortless. And it was. They’ve had a lot of practice.
A great hire leaves you feeling something a little different. You’re still energized — but also a little on your toes. A great hire asked you questions you weren’t expecting. They dug into something you said and wanted to understand it more deeply. They pushed back, respectfully, on something that didn’t quite add up. They made you work a little. And you walked away not just impressed but genuinely curious about what they’re going to do when they get in the room.
The candidate with the immaculate résumé and the smooth answer for everything is worth paying attention to. But the candidate whose background isn’t a perfect match — who can nevertheless pull something real out of their experience and show you how they think, how they operate, how they show up when things get hard, where their skills are transferable — that candidate often builds something you could never have anticipated.
The way to find them is to dig. When you get a clean, polished answer, go one layer deeper. Not to trick them up — to find out who is actually in there.
Ask them what their team did. Then ask what they did. Ask what their boss decided. Then ask what they contributed. And when things went sideways — and they always go sideways somewhere — ask them directly:
Tell me about you. Tell me what you did to be one of the hands cleaning up that mess.
The answer to that question will tell you almost everything you need to know.
Now What?
Now you go to work. You have what you need — you know who you’re bringing in and why, what to listen for and how to get the information you’re seeking, and how to keep learning as people come, stay, and go from your organization.
And if you’re a candidate who made it through Part 1 and Part 2 — Part 3 is all yours. I’m really excited to share how you can be the person someone can’t wait to bring in.